Hi Ruthy – I am not an expert in visas, but I do believe that you can only work 20 hrs/week with a student visa. It is the visa terms that are converted into the permesso. Do you think I need to apply for the permesso di soggiorno to be able to leave the country? Yes, all of it. I’ll be in Milan so I hope things aren’t too different – I’ve heard mixed things about whether you go first to the post office or first to the Questura. Hi Natalie – best info I have been able to find – so thank you. Do you know if the process takes less time if you apply in the main city (Rome, Milan) or is it better to do it in one of the suburban comunes? I am in the process of getting my dual citizenship through marriage, but doubt that it will be completed by October when we plan on going back to Italy for the winter. My question is if my husband is a dual citizen can I (a US citizen) apply for a PS without having a visa first? Are you saying that this would be impossible and that you 100% need a visa? Do I have to attend a language course? please grateful your advice. You can travel with the receipt as proof! 6. Vorrebbe richiamare la famiglia dalla Sierra Leone, tra l'altro, quindi l'errore nel cognome è grave. Hi can you give more info about this Can I travel in and out of Italy while the application is being processed ?? I want to make sure I have this correct. I have never been corrected at the questura (immigration office). Hope it all went well! You will be able to depart on your passport. Hi Natalie, what happens if my card is ready and I’m not around at that particular time to pick it? Is there a chance my appointment date will fall on a day when I am not back in Rome? To be honest, I am not sure. Hi my name is fred me and my wife was married in austria am Nigeria my wife is Austrian when I wen to post the kit I put my international marriage certificate that was translated and approved but when I got to qestura on my appointment day the polizia didnt collect my international marriage certificate that was translated and approved he then na collected the international marriage certificate like that because he said is already valid in all countries and I was finger printed hope is not a problem.thanks, Hi, thanks for sharing this information. Once you have a PdS, you don’t have to keep going through the visa process, but you do need a visa issued by a consulate for your first PdS. Apply now instead, or ?re-apply?, for a PdS & for what duration if done at this point? Will a permesso di soggiorno allow me to stay longer than three months in the Schengen zone? Central Train station is a disaster of human depravity. I was told that it was not necessary even after repeated request. Wow! Even if you are child of American citizens and you are more than 21 years old . Other sites say that you can get everything necessary for a few euros at a kiosk at the rail station. I waited about 3 hours to complete the appointment when I returned. As an EU citizen I know I do not need any visa for Italy state so no visa to convert so is it the us EU folks do not need the PdS? Thanks again! However, that is nothing more than an somewhat educated guess! At any point during the process were you asked for proof of income? 5. Thank you so much for the info. Couldn’t do it. This time you really do have to wait in line. Sincerely, Getting info on exactly how this works isn’t easy. (I apologize for my delayed response– I only now saw that you had responded forever ago!). I have already rented an apartment for 7 months (from febraury 1st – Sept 1st.) It’s not even the first time I’ve had to do this (semi-regular sabbaticals) but it is still a huge mental burden. I’ve been told that we will need a visa for a stay longer than 90 days. Am I able to travel outside of Italy or am I stranded in this beautiful but politically messed up country? Assistenza personalizzata sui problemi di permesso di soggiorno e non solo: Mentre la crisi economica in Italia non risparmia nessuno, per gli immigrati il problema dei documenti di soggiorno sta aggravando la loro crisi economica. Also, can we apply for jobs without the residency permit? Fun time freezing, starving and being bored. I don’t think that is an issue at all. Thanks? Rilascio, Rinnovo, Conversione, Duplicato, Aggiornamento del Permesso di soggiorno Richiesta Permesso di soggiorno CE lungo periodo Illimitata ( Carta di soggiorno CE) Richiesta Test d’italiano Cittadinanza Italiana. If it isn’t I would presume that I would only _need_ health insurance for the couple of months it takes to get the PdS. I get Social Security and withdraw from my IRA; no pension or other source of income. Hey Natalie, Just got my first PDS! Hi Sophia! Please give any guidance that you can. I am just confused because he doesn’t have a visa to switch from …, Hi Manu – if you have residency, your husband should be entitled to a carta di soggiorno (motivi familiare), Thanks for your post I have a study visa valid for one year as I take my master in Rome however my course is 10 days every 2 months I have took to classy as now I just stay 15 days every time I enter Italy after the 15 days I leave to my home country now I have six months left on my visa my next course start on October also for 15 days but this time I wanted to stay for more than 90 days it’s ok for me to apply for stay pirmet in Italy. Your permesso is tied to your type of visa. Office open limited hours so anyone in China – check esp China National holiday times and CNY not that far away, only a few months, Hi Natalie, I recall reading about something to do with ‘elective residency’ what is that? This is a stamp with a monetary value that they will affix to one of the forms at the post office. You have already answered many questions but I’m afraid that I still have quite a list of them. We don’t plan on staying in one place for long enough to do the application, have an iterview and so on. Hello Tracy! Hi! Utenti che conoscono bene questa destinazione e rispondono spesso alle domande degli altri viaggiatori. If you are working at the Vatican, but a resident of Rome (as most employees are) you would still need residency permission. However, I was not asked this by the time I got to the permesso application. Thanks, Should i follow the same steps in order to take the permesso and do i have to apply for a visa first to enter in Italy or to travel with schengen? Hi Lauren, I think I had to bring the same documents that I included in my visa application. Thanks! Oh, and I do have one quick question. IT straniero con permesso di soggiorno {masculine} volume_up. I have my passport photos ready. Dopo la presentazione della domanda in posta, il diretto interessato potrà conoscerne l’avanzamento chiamando un Contact Center, sul Portale Immigrazione o tramite SMS della Questura. I’m so glad that the blog is helpful! Avendo un permesso di soggiorno per studio in fase di rinnovo dall’inizio di giugno (richiesto a maggio ma i rilievi in questura sono stati fatti a giugno, poichè da loro è stato fissato l’appuntamento) il quale rinnovo è di 6 mesi (quindi al 31-12 scadrà) non si può viaggiare nello spazio Schengen. To just take the plunge and move there– plain and simple? Natalie is a travel and food writer who has been living in Rome, Italy since 2010. In five years, I have never written about how to get a permesso di soggiornio because just thinking about it gives me chest pains. I’m retired military and usually fly in and out of Germany. Here is how you can get your very own Permesso di Soggiorno (Italian permit for stays longer than 3 months): Within 8 days of moving to Italy, you have to apply for your permesso. I want to retire to Italy. Now I am waiting a month for the actual permesso. Leaving Italy does not reset your time, but what it does do is give you those extra days. I just applied for an elective residency visa and expect it to be approved. The time to be ” legal ” in this country is absolutely too much . Il primo passo per ottenere il permesso di soggiorno è quello di presentare regolare domanda tramite kit postale. But someone advised me to go directly to the office in Rebbibia and personally request. Learn how your comment data is processed. The application date is assigned, but not usually the pickup date. My boyfriend lives in Rome, so I have a “landing place”, but I am wondering if it is possible for me to enter Italy in advance with the student visa in order to find a place to live and get settled in. DO NOT sign the form. Hello natalie, please if i may i need a fast reply, is it ok to miss the appointment for the permit ? Just thought I would share my experience for anyone reading! Is it necessary? I don’t speak Italian and was so confused. I’m still waiting for my first PDS to be issued, and I want to travel to Spain. It is okay to leave Italy and come back as long as I have the receipt with me, right? PdS are only issued for trips of 90 days or more, and if you do register within 8 days of arriving, you should get your PdS within the 90 days. I want to apply for permesso next monday, i really appreciate if you can reply my question a.s.a.p. Tracy. Hi Emaan! I converted mine after marriage without a new visa – but I had a different visa to begin with. If you would like to work, the right visa is necessary. Will the permesso di soggiorno be the best option? And taxes. Get out a dictionary, open the kit, and start filling out forms. It is housing suitability certificate required for dependent Visa. This may result in Visa not getting back in time for her initial travel Al fine di ottenere un permesso di soggiorno pensionata sufficiente aiuto dalla sicurezza sociale. What a great blog, so many helpful pages! Oh my god, the forms! Your type of PdS is tied to the type of visa you get, and you have to get the visa first then within 8 days of arrival you apply for the PdS. I will continue to research and hopefully find an answer! Katie. Hi Stacey – when I applied for my first student visa, I was asked to show that I had enough money in the bank to support myself for the duration of my stay. Once inside, you will go through a quick security screening. 1) In un primo caso che vi segnalo, l'errore è stato nell'indicazione della durata del permesso. It is very clear after reading it. I read through them all and didn’t find an answer to mine, which is: I am an American citizen arriving Oct. 2nd in Rome with a student visa, but I made plans to travel to Greece for ten days immediately after arriving in Rome (actually the next day, but likely not enough time to apply for the permesso). It must be requested by the immigrant to be allowed to reside in the country for more than eight days, or more than ninety days […] 16. The Rome questura has vastly improved and now has screens that will flash your name and the number of the desk you are meant to approach when it is finally your turn. Inserisci il numero di pratica (10 caratteri) o il tuo numero di assicurata (12 caratteri) della richiesta del tuo permesso di soggiorno Oltre all’avviso visualizzabile tramite questo sistema informatico, sullo stato del procedimento, sarà inviato al cittadino straniero un sms con l’indicazione delle modalità per il ritiro del permesso di soggiorno già pronto: giorno, ora e luogo. How to Get a Permesso di Soggiorno in Italy. I’m wondering what you meant at the end of your post by “start the process over again” after a few months. Thanks. Then, you have to renew it in advance. Thank you for taking the time to map this out. kit postale – Per poter richiedere il rilascio oppure il rinnovo del permesso di soggiorno, a partire dall’11 dicembre 2006, in Italia viene usato un nuovo metodo.Le domande devono essere presentate agli Uffici delle Poste Italiane che si occupano del servizio di Sportello Amico.. Hi Austin – not at all! Foreign nationals - that is non-EU citizens - may enter Italy provided that they hold both a valid passport and, if required, an entry visa issued in their country of origin. Exactly – I would find the minimum insurance you are comfortable with and then apply for the SSN once you have the PdS. You should be able to travel, but take all the receipts that you are given at the Post Office as proof that you have applied. I am sure you will love where you end up! Worst case scenario, they also have these photo machines at the main Rome quester. Take your forms, photo copies and bollo back to the post office. Do not lose these. He’s a Spanish citizen and will be working with the UN. Thank god for your blog, so helpful! Anyway thanks for all the articles. You will do that when you go back to the post office. However, if you only have a visa for 6 months, then the maximum amount of validity of your permesso is 6 months. I am in a tricky situation, I go back to Milan for university on September (as soon as I get there I’ll begin the process of renewing it), and my PdS expires in October, but I want to go back home for a couple of weeks in December/January for the holidays, and if my PdS takes as long as the last time (6 months), I will have nothing but the receipt as a travel document, besides my passport. Hi Claudia – to get a permesso, you will have to get a visa from the consulate in your area before you arrive. We are planning to travel in Italy before the course begins and stay after the course ends for a total of 120 days. Il permesso di soggiorno è un documento differente dalla carta di soggiorno e dal nuovo permesso CE di lungo periodo. Thanks for all the info- super helpful! We now worry that we might be living here illegally. It’s normal practice among the Chinese that with young daughter mum goes too to ensure daughter is ok. I’m presently sorting out a Schengen visa for my wife, that she’s allowed being married to me, I plan to resume my teaching work on-line from where we will live so of course need sort out Codice Fiscale. I believe the best thing is to go in person to request this change of dates. It’s been 2 months since I submitted my application . Get your appointment! My question is this: Do you think we should still get the kit and apply for the permesso within the 8 business days just in case we get the visa? And sorry if you can please name me some of those countries it will nice,thank you. Hi Sam! I asked the questura who said I could just leave with my passport, but I wanted to ask whether or not the border control asks for proof of permit when leaving the Schengen area. I will give the answer as well as I understand it: yes. Once I retire, I will be joining my boyfriend in Florence. Also thank you so much for the directions on how to get there- I looked it up on maps and was like how the heck am I going to get there?! The mass of bodies, huddled close together against the cold, standing in line to achieve permission. I’m not sure I will stay in Italy more than 90’s days though – do I need to get the PdS? We dont have a fixed address. It is not possible to apply without a visa. Per tutte le tipologie di aggiornamento, è necessario ritirare presso gli uffici postali un apposito Kit, del quale compilare solo il “modulo 1”, ed aggiungere ad esso la documentazione ulteriore, che varia in base alla ragione per la quale si procede all’aggiornamento. Having basic Italian will help you a lot. if issued only for the duration of her student visa, would be expired by then?). One of these was a letter from my landlord saying I had permission to live in the house. For school? I am a citizen of the U.S.A. 4 years ago, my mother is half american , so I apply from her to get a green card I’m 29 years old and I going to get my green card at 37 years old !! Country and go again,how many times we can Really. In order to obtain a residence permit pensioner enough help from social security. As far as I know, you need a visa. Do you have only a residency certificate? Do your best! Vediamo insieme in questa completa guida come convertire il permesso di soggiorno in carta di soggiorno permanente.Il permesso di soggiorno consente, agli stranieri e agli apolidi, presenti sul territorio dello Stato italiano di rimanere in Italia; alle condizioni e … Let’s start with insurance: 1) You say above that I must have health insurance to get a PdS. Hi Sofia! This is because you have to convert your visa (which grants you access into the country) to a permit of stay (which allows you to actually stay in the country). Thank you. Ciao. I have another question that hopefully you can give me some beginner guidance on. No need for a permesso! Hi Natalie. Hi Daniel! We do not work here in Italy and live solely on our social security. Don’t panic when the post office is out of kits. Certification is designed for people whose mother tongue is not Italian. That is fine – they will keep it for you at the station near your home. 2. Hi Emerald, as far as I understand the process – it is the opposite.